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Poster: light into ashes Date: Oct 29, 2010 12:26am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH- Signature Licks

I tried not to say the quality of the music went down - I agree the band's skill improved by the early Keith years & they went to places they couldn't have before. I said "decline" mainly referring to their energy & focus on jamming, not to the music's quality.
But as they 'grew up', they left behind qualities that I like a lot - the magic changed. They became a different kind of band: something lost, something gained. (Just as I wouldn't look for a Viola Lee in '73, I wouldn't look for a Scarlet>Fire either.)
I guess I take a regretful tone when sighing over the lost glories of '67/68, but each year has its own unique appeal - that great '72 kick didn't last, the freewheeling '74 jams were given up, the '76 sweetness faded away...

Anyway, you could use the same argument - more years of added talent, more songs, more refinement, new player - to say that '79 was their best year yet!

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Oct 29, 2010 11:29am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH- Signature Licks

I understood you were not taking a derogatory slant on the 73'stuff LIA,and you made some valid points.I think it's more that I see the 68'-74' as very similar in the bands energy and willingness to explore all possibilities as far as jamming and stretching the boundaries goes,even though the music can be quite different.My point about the talent level rising and adding Keith were not meant in the vein of time and additions always make things better.In 68' all three guitarists were relatively new to their instruments so time and playing together was a plausible positive,as for the addition of Keith they got lucky in finding a kindred spirit who was talented,inventive and fit in,so in this aspect time and an addition were helpful.I find the post 74' music creatively bankrupt as far as their ability to truly jam,the only song that remotely harkened back to those days was PITB.Sadly the Other One,Dark Star,Eyes,Bird Song all became a pathetic shell of what they once were and would have been better served by being shelved rather than shit on like they were.As far as what passed as material to be jammed on Scarlet/Fire usually failed miserably resulting in about 20-24 minutes of uninspired,effect riddled drivel with questionable vocals and forgotten or mumbled lyrics.Estimated/Eyes was generally underwhelming and pretty much the same always,Sailor/Saint deserves no comment.Scant few versions aside Help/Slip/Franklins is generally so bad as to be embarrassing.As for that forced noise making they tagged space let's not confuse that crap with genuine improvisation.On rare occasions they could give you a slight hint at what once was,but what passed for jamming or inspired in the moment improvisation in their post 74' music was sad and lacking.

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Poster: Reade Date: Oct 29, 2010 4:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH- Signature Licks

"As for that forced noise making they tagged space let's not confuse that crap with genuine improvisation."

Agreed. Towards the end didn't this part of the show basically consist of a non-Band member backstage with a laptop, (or what passed for a laptop in the early nineties), while the actual Band members ate dinner?!?!?! I attended a March '94 show and I believe for a significant stretch of time during what tends to get referred to as 'Space,' there wasn't anybody onstage.

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Poster: Reade Date: Oct 29, 2010 6:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH- Signature Licks

"......each year has its own unique appeal - that great '72 kick didn't last, the freewheeling '74 jams were given up, the '76 sweetness faded away..."

Well stated!
Reminds me of that line somebody used to sing, 'There's nothing you can hold for very long..."

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